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Banning the Burka would be rather un-British?
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At last the immigration minister has finally spoken out to say "the banning of the Burka would be rather un-British”
Excuse me isn't the wearing of the Burka 'RATHER UN-BRITISH'
/// Farooq Murad the new head of the Muslim Council of Britain (pointed to the spread of mosques and sharia, or Islamic law, as positive signs of the greater freedom Muslims are given in this country.///
/// He warned that any moves to restrict the expression of Islam by banning the veil or blocking the building of minarets would alienate the Muslim community and threaten social cohesion. ///
Once again we have been warned by the Muslims.
Only last week a witness took the stand at Southwark Crown Court, dressed in this garb with only her eyes showing, how can this be allowed?
http://tinyurl.com/3yqolup
At last the immigration minister has finally spoken out to say "the banning of the Burka would be rather un-British”
Excuse me isn't the wearing of the Burka 'RATHER UN-BRITISH'
/// Farooq Murad the new head of the Muslim Council of Britain (pointed to the spread of mosques and sharia, or Islamic law, as positive signs of the greater freedom Muslims are given in this country.///
/// He warned that any moves to restrict the expression of Islam by banning the veil or blocking the building of minarets would alienate the Muslim community and threaten social cohesion. ///
Once again we have been warned by the Muslims.
Only last week a witness took the stand at Southwark Crown Court, dressed in this garb with only her eyes showing, how can this be allowed?
http://tinyurl.com/3yqolup
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Yawn, to force someone to wear it is wrong such relationships would be much better dealt with by out reach workers.
We're a secular country (governmentally) that means that we don't impose our religious or non-religious views on our subjects.
This is a change from that stance.
I'll ask again, would you obey a law that goes against your conscience?
We're a secular country (governmentally) that means that we don't impose our religious or non-religious views on our subjects.
This is a change from that stance.
I'll ask again, would you obey a law that goes against your conscience?
May I ask all those who defend the right to wear what you like a simple question :
If someone sits/stands next to you wearing a mask, a veil, a hood and is otherwise deliberatly concealing their identity so you can't even see if it a man or women . Do you feel at ease and safe ? If so, chose a suitable epitaph. You may shortly need one.
If someone sits/stands next to you wearing a mask, a veil, a hood and is otherwise deliberatly concealing their identity so you can't even see if it a man or women . Do you feel at ease and safe ? If so, chose a suitable epitaph. You may shortly need one.
///Kettering MP [Philip Hollobone] declared in this morning's Independent that he would refuse surgery time to such a woman if she refuses to remove her veil. He says that this is because since "I could not see her [face], I am not able to satisfy myself she is who she says she is".///
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They go on to say:
/// There's a fine line between starting a legitimate debate and stimulating - no doubt unwittingly, in this case - a media circus, with unknown consequences. ///
Thoughts?
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They go on to say:
/// There's a fine line between starting a legitimate debate and stimulating - no doubt unwittingly, in this case - a media circus, with unknown consequences. ///
Thoughts?
Vic
most of Hollibone's visitors probably have the flexibility and sensitivity to allow him to see their faces when they are talking to him as is our cultural norm (and indeed is the cultural norm for arab men!).
I respect arab cultural norms when in an arab country; I see lots of muslim women in Malaysia interacting with others without concealment - what's wrong with these people?
Perhaps Mr Hollibone and all his staff should put on ski masks and bio-hazard suits whenever a veiled person visits them?
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most of Hollibone's visitors probably have the flexibility and sensitivity to allow him to see their faces when they are talking to him as is our cultural norm (and indeed is the cultural norm for arab men!).
I respect arab cultural norms when in an arab country; I see lots of muslim women in Malaysia interacting with others without concealment - what's wrong with these people?
Perhaps Mr Hollibone and all his staff should put on ski masks and bio-hazard suits whenever a veiled person visits them?
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Bad laws should be challenged, if you disagree with a law because of your conscience then you have every right to defy it, and face the consequences in order to demonstrate the injustice of it.
That's how I feel.
So I'll ask again, do you wish to create prisoners of conscience in this country?
Modeller, I've seen many women veiled women in my lifetime all of whom were unmistakeably women, I don't feel threatened or intimidated by them, no more do I fear that a Muslim carrying a rucksack is going to blow up the bus or that I should pull my niece closer to me in case some Muslim tries to have his wicked way with her.
I couldn't function with such paranoia.
That's how I feel.
So I'll ask again, do you wish to create prisoners of conscience in this country?
Modeller, I've seen many women veiled women in my lifetime all of whom were unmistakeably women, I don't feel threatened or intimidated by them, no more do I fear that a Muslim carrying a rucksack is going to blow up the bus or that I should pull my niece closer to me in case some Muslim tries to have his wicked way with her.
I couldn't function with such paranoia.
what a load of ***- why should a woman not wear what she wants as long as it is not too revealing . you get teenage girls dressed up as prostitutes parading their wares up and down the high street whilst waiting for the school bus and no-one bats an eyelid. yet a woman chooses to wear her traditional dress and the bigots have a field day.
i think it has nothing to do with the burka its just an excuse to go p*k* bashing.
and what about all the scotsmen wearing skirts - should be banned.
i think it has nothing to do with the burka its just an excuse to go p*k* bashing.
and what about all the scotsmen wearing skirts - should be banned.
Dilf – Sorry, but your argument is just wrong.
You say, “i think it has nothing to do with the burka its just an excuse to go p*k* bashing.”
Oh really? So every Muslim is also a Pakistani are they? I think you'll find that Muslims come from just about every country on earth. I think that the fact that you mentioned the word p*k* says a great deal about your own prejudices.
You say, “... yet a woman chooses to wear her traditional dress and the bigots have a field day.”
I covered that point in my earlier post – the burka is not a 'traditional' dress – it is a form of dress forced upon Muslim women who are told the lie that wearing it is a religious necessity when it clearly is not.
You say, “i think it has nothing to do with the burka its just an excuse to go p*k* bashing.”
Oh really? So every Muslim is also a Pakistani are they? I think you'll find that Muslims come from just about every country on earth. I think that the fact that you mentioned the word p*k* says a great deal about your own prejudices.
You say, “... yet a woman chooses to wear her traditional dress and the bigots have a field day.”
I covered that point in my earlier post – the burka is not a 'traditional' dress – it is a form of dress forced upon Muslim women who are told the lie that wearing it is a religious necessity when it clearly is not.
sorry birdie i should have put p*k* in inverted commas as i was using a all encompassing general term to describe the mindset of the bigots i was targetting, i hope you get what i mean. and these women are not forced to wear it cos they aint complaining.
why does it annoy anyone who isn't wearing it. surely its a case of mind your own buisness
why does it annoy anyone who isn't wearing it. surely its a case of mind your own buisness
Dilf - “why does it annoy anyone who isn't wearing it”
For the very simple reason that I believe that the women wearing it are either, a) doing so under duress; or b) they believe it is their religious obligation to wear it.
Either way, it's a pack of lies as there is no compulsion to wear the burka in Islam. But a great many women are told the lie that the wearing of the burka is a religious necessity.
It's hard for us in the west with our liberal sensibilities to understand just how conditioned and controlled those who grow up in the Islamic culture are. If you're a woman and you are born and raised in a society that tells you that you must adhere to the Islamic faith and that you have no choice in believing; and if that idea is reinforced by everyone from your parents to your friends and everything you see in the media, you will most likely believe. You will believe it right to your core; in effect, you have been successfully 'brainwashed' (not the best phrase, but it sums the condition up succinctly). Couple that belief in a supernatural deity with a belief that you should cover your head, face and body in what is effectively a sack because it is a religious 'necessity' and hey presto – you've got a walking, talking, contradiction – a person who thinks they have free will by 'choosing' to wear a sack because they're frightened to death about what will happen to them if they dare to show their face.
For the very simple reason that I believe that the women wearing it are either, a) doing so under duress; or b) they believe it is their religious obligation to wear it.
Either way, it's a pack of lies as there is no compulsion to wear the burka in Islam. But a great many women are told the lie that the wearing of the burka is a religious necessity.
It's hard for us in the west with our liberal sensibilities to understand just how conditioned and controlled those who grow up in the Islamic culture are. If you're a woman and you are born and raised in a society that tells you that you must adhere to the Islamic faith and that you have no choice in believing; and if that idea is reinforced by everyone from your parents to your friends and everything you see in the media, you will most likely believe. You will believe it right to your core; in effect, you have been successfully 'brainwashed' (not the best phrase, but it sums the condition up succinctly). Couple that belief in a supernatural deity with a belief that you should cover your head, face and body in what is effectively a sack because it is a religious 'necessity' and hey presto – you've got a walking, talking, contradiction – a person who thinks they have free will by 'choosing' to wear a sack because they're frightened to death about what will happen to them if they dare to show their face.
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This is not free will. This is coercion. This is male dominance over females. Why do you think that (some) male Muslims think that women should wear the burka? Modesty perhaps?
No. The reason is: Male Muslims believe that a fully covered woman is less likely to be raped than an 'uncovered' one. That is the reasoning behind the burka. The Muslim men who originally came up with the idea of the burka were so immoral and sexually repressed, they believed that the only way for them to stop lusting after and raping women was that the women should cover their bodies, lest the Muslim men be tempted by them.
The burka is a symbol of the subjugation of women. Banning it would be an act of emancipation.
This is not free will. This is coercion. This is male dominance over females. Why do you think that (some) male Muslims think that women should wear the burka? Modesty perhaps?
No. The reason is: Male Muslims believe that a fully covered woman is less likely to be raped than an 'uncovered' one. That is the reasoning behind the burka. The Muslim men who originally came up with the idea of the burka were so immoral and sexually repressed, they believed that the only way for them to stop lusting after and raping women was that the women should cover their bodies, lest the Muslim men be tempted by them.
The burka is a symbol of the subjugation of women. Banning it would be an act of emancipation.
What does banning it achieve? The freeing of oppressed women? And how does it free them? If they are, in fact, forced to wear it, will they not be just as oppressed by their men when wearing it becomes illegal? The problem is the oppression, not one symbol of such oppression.If any woman is not oppressed but wears it freely, as a symbol;as she sees it, of her faith, the banning of it only serves to deny her her right to dress as her conscience demands.
What next? Shall we ban strictly orthodox Jewesses from shaving their heads and wearing wigs as their faith demands? Or are they not conspicuous enough to merit the attention of the media ?
What next? Shall we ban strictly orthodox Jewesses from shaving their heads and wearing wigs as their faith demands? Or are they not conspicuous enough to merit the attention of the media ?
123everton # I've seen many women veiled women in my lifetime all of whom were unmistakeably women, I don't feel threatened or intimidated by them, no more do I fear that a Muslim carrying a rucksack is going to blow up the bus #
You have avoided answering my question by only mentioning the veil . Anyone deliberately ,
I stress the word deliberately , hiding their face by any means is suspect whether it's a mask , a hood , a Burka , etc.
# no more do I fear that a Muslim carrying a rucksack is going to blow up the bus #
Really ! Well several of them did !
You have avoided answering my question by only mentioning the veil . Anyone deliberately ,
I stress the word deliberately , hiding their face by any means is suspect whether it's a mask , a hood , a Burka , etc.
# no more do I fear that a Muslim carrying a rucksack is going to blow up the bus #
Really ! Well several of them did !
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