Your reply actually ignored my point, but then you knew that. My reference to rugby is that players don't berate officials, don't dive and act like prima donnas, and rugby fans don't throw flares, etc and are appreciative of good play from both sides. Football thugs, both on and off the pitch have ruined the beautiful game, but then again, it's traded on that phrase for too long and now is no longer a sport, just a business controlled by TV money. I've been to kids football games (anything from under 8s to under 13s) where the language from parents on the touchline is unbelievable. Oh and one other point, you do need to support other English clubs in the CL, because if English clubs do not get to the quarter finals, semi finals and final on a consistent basis, the top 4 in the league won't qualify, it will only be the top 3.