Should An Nhs 'In Crisis' Stop Offering Non-Essential Treatment?

[naomi24]

IVF, non-essential plastic surgery, non-essential gender reassignment procedures, and gastric bands and 'tummy tucks', for example? Additionally, GPs hand out millions of prescriptions for remedies that can be bought over the counter often for far less than the cost of the prescription so would 'getting back to basics' reduce the strain on NHS resources and go some way towards a cure?

[bednobs]

don't let facts get in the way nicebloke - the indicative NHS price of a box of 100 paracetamol tablets is £1.34

[ZebuSanctuary]

// gastric band needs ongoing adjustments //

It is often reported that British society is bearing the (rising) cost which are attributable to obesity.

Therefore ought gastric band procedures be made a priority?

[Zacs-Master]

There was an initiative back in 2017 to stop prescription of treatments which could be bought much cheaper than the NHS could supply them for. Not sure what happened to it.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/2017/11/prescription-curbs-to-free-up-hundreds-of-millions-of-pounds-for-frontline-care/

[bednobs]

which makes just over 1p per tablet
aldi pack of 16 is 29p - just under 2p per tablet.
In addition, NHS no longer prescribes paracetamol for short term illnesses

[rowanwitch]

Zebu sanctuary, banding doesn't work as well, patients don't always go back for adjustments. There is also a theory the more radical types of surgery affect the hormones that signal fullness/ hunger so some of the urge to binge is removed. ( leptin/ghrelin system)

[nicebloke1]

Thats not always been the case bednobs. Only now because of media coverage over many months, and the outrage that followed. So, my question would be now, what else are they being ripped off for?

[youngmafbog]

For me AH's post, nicely ignored by those who would prefer to deflect by arguing over a 1p aspirin should be BA and is along the lines of what I have said for years(look up my posts on here if you dont believe me)

There is so much wrong with the NHS plus things have massively changed since its inception. 'Non essential' things will have to start being stopped totally. And that does include things that are for claimed (yes I said it too ) Mental health illnesses. The country simply cant afford it.

Failure to tackle right now will result in no NHS whatsover.

[nicebloke1]

But to answer the OP. None essential procedures I believe stopped when covid arrived, and doubt it ever got started again, unless of course you have a healthy bank balance.

[nicebloke1]

12.53 There is so much wrong with the NHS. Yes you are right!! I was just pointing out one of many, not trying to deflect at all.

[youngmafbog]

Wasnt aimed at you nicebloke, I understood what you meant.

[nicebloke1]

I bought it up because AHs post includes " Wilful Waste" that covers almost everything within the NHS. :0>

[youngmafbog]

I know, unfortunately the sites pedants would rather argue the finer points than tackle the OP and the dire state of the NHS.

Well they will be the ones struggling when it collapse3s totally, perhaps they will dip into their pockets for peoples gender reassignment when there is no NHS.

One thing that should be mentioned, health tourism - and yes it does exist particularly in maternity should be stopped dead. No insurance or credit card - no treatment.

[10ClarionSt]

The NHS should stop putting stupid ads on the telly telling people to get the doctors just because they've got a cough or a pain somewhere. And they wonder why it's overcrowded.

[Zacs-Master]

My comments prove that quite a bit of the OP was flawed.

[youngmafbog]

So the NHS is a shining example of business then ZM?

I guess someone calling you out - as no doubt one of those useless managers - hasnt gone down too well?

[Zacs-Master]

You've done a classic AB non-sequitur there, YMB. The NHS is far from a shining example of business. No Nationalised institution ever is.

Where have I been 'called out'?

[nicebloke1]

Most of us know whats wrong with the NHS, along with the government, but like AH said in his post, to do anything about it is a vote loser, and the rot within the management will carry on I fear.

[Zacs-Master]

Wow. That's a very insulting reply, YMB. I'm on record on here as stating that my wife is an NHS Manager. I see what she does on a daily basis (mainly managing bed allocation across 2 hospital sites), leaving home at 6:30 and getting home around 12 hours later. I see the stress she's under on a daily basis, especially when she's on call often on a weekend, and I hear similar stories.

To tar every single Manager in the Health authority as useless is low, even for you.

I have never refused to accept there are problems. If you can find one post from me that says such a thing, I'll give you a gold star.

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"That's a very insulting reply, YMB."

it's what he does