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In his speech, Mr Farage will say UKIP is the "biggest threat to the political establishment" in modern times. Well, the greatest threat to the Tory Party perhaps.
In his speech, Mr Farage will say UKIP is the "biggest threat to the political establishment" in modern times. Well, the greatest threat to the Tory Party perhaps.
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I have heard on the news this morning that new applicants who want to join UKIP are going to have to sign a form that states that they are not a loony in any shape or form :::
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How on earth is Farage going to recruit any more ?
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How on earth is Farage going to recruit any more ?
Its quite clear why the form is now going to be used, and its to keep loonies out of UKIP. My point is that without its loonies, what is the point of UKIP ? The only time UKIP gets into the headlines is when one of their representatives drops a massive clanger.
Forgive me for trying to add a note of levity into this discussion naomi !
Forgive me for trying to add a note of levity into this discussion naomi !
I might - if you get off your disingenuous soapbox. I've just said you make it up, and immediately you do it again by saying 'The only time UKIP gets into the headlines is when one of their representatives drops a massive clanger' - which is clearly not true. Your OP illustrates that. I really don't understand why you think that your deliberate misrepresentations of issues that don't suit your own personal agenda aren't spotted by others who have exactly the same information available to them. Your readers aren't stupid - and you do your credibility no favours.
Baz. I am not here to win any popularity contest, nor I am the only person on AB today that thinks Farage is a tiresome individual. Your post of 12:45 is clearly derogative. As you have sunk to making personal insults rather than debate this subject properly, I shall now ignore any further comments from you.
Sticks and stones and all that.
Sticks and stones and all that.
Children,, CHILDREN !!!
It’s unfortunate that Mr Farage’s party has been derided and epithets such as “loonies” and “fruitcakes” routinely applied to it when one or two of its members act with a little eccentricity.
I always ask myself this when considering the policies of UKIP:
The established order (Con/Lab/Lib) in the UK seems quite content to continue with the principle of free movement of people throughout the EU despite the fact that the policy was born when the “Common Market” consisted of just half a dozen nations which were economically and fiscally very similar. Now it comprises 28 nations, many as different as chalk from cheese. This means that people from countries where their income is about 10%-20% of their equivalent earnings in the UK, quite understandably, want to move here. This has led to mass immigration on an unprecedented scale and last year alone more than 210,000 people (more than the combined populations of Taunton and Exeter), most of them from the EU, settled here. Even if all of them are “net contributors” (which is highly debateable) the implications for health services, housing and education on already stretched services is obvious and it is further obvious that such influxes cannot be accommodated indefinitely. As has been made clear this week, there is no possibility of the free movement principle (which is laughingly described by some as one of humankind’s greatest achievements) will never be abandoned by the EU and Mr Cameron‘s promise to renegotiate this (and many other matters) are laughable.
By contrast UKIP wants to see a return to the UK controlling who settles here and it sees the only way to achieve this is by the UK withdrawing from the EU. The party also makes the point that the threatened disasters which would follow the UK’s withdrawal, lovingly foretold by the Europhile doom-mongers would pale into insignificance if uncontrolled immigration is allowed to continue.
So who are the fruitcakes? The established order, or Mr Farage and his friends?
It’s unfortunate that Mr Farage’s party has been derided and epithets such as “loonies” and “fruitcakes” routinely applied to it when one or two of its members act with a little eccentricity.
I always ask myself this when considering the policies of UKIP:
The established order (Con/Lab/Lib) in the UK seems quite content to continue with the principle of free movement of people throughout the EU despite the fact that the policy was born when the “Common Market” consisted of just half a dozen nations which were economically and fiscally very similar. Now it comprises 28 nations, many as different as chalk from cheese. This means that people from countries where their income is about 10%-20% of their equivalent earnings in the UK, quite understandably, want to move here. This has led to mass immigration on an unprecedented scale and last year alone more than 210,000 people (more than the combined populations of Taunton and Exeter), most of them from the EU, settled here. Even if all of them are “net contributors” (which is highly debateable) the implications for health services, housing and education on already stretched services is obvious and it is further obvious that such influxes cannot be accommodated indefinitely. As has been made clear this week, there is no possibility of the free movement principle (which is laughingly described by some as one of humankind’s greatest achievements) will never be abandoned by the EU and Mr Cameron‘s promise to renegotiate this (and many other matters) are laughable.
By contrast UKIP wants to see a return to the UK controlling who settles here and it sees the only way to achieve this is by the UK withdrawing from the EU. The party also makes the point that the threatened disasters which would follow the UK’s withdrawal, lovingly foretold by the Europhile doom-mongers would pale into insignificance if uncontrolled immigration is allowed to continue.
So who are the fruitcakes? The established order, or Mr Farage and his friends?
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New Judge; Even though the number of people leaving has reduced in 2013, it still stands at 329,000, leaving plenty of room in Taunton and Exeter.
New Judge; Even though the number of people leaving has reduced in 2013, it still stands at 329,000, leaving plenty of room in Taunton and Exeter.
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no they come here to the capital, by hook or by crook, dump themselves on the councils mercy and hey voila ever more poor, and some crib about the bankers, and their excessive bonuses, most of whom don't get them, yet never crib about their neighbourhood being divebombed by endless people, who are not of value to the country as a whole, ill educated, poor, just what the country doesn't need. You want to see what this will be like in 5, 10 years time, well take a look at the capital, it's not all go go go, or perhaps it is, anyone wonder why British up and leave.
Yes it is an accurate assessment, Khandro.
If you read the Guardian article it says that UK Emigration [I.e. those leaving] is at its lowest since 2001. It goes on to say that this reduction is driving an increase in net migration, which is exactly what was said last week. In actual fact more than half a million people arrived to settle in the UK, The figure I quoted is NET migration:
Figures for the twelve months to September 2013:
Those leaving: 320,000 (343,000 a year earlier)
Those arriving: 532,000 (497,000 a year earlier)
Thus a net increase of 212k compared to an increase of 154k a year earlier. (Population of Exeter 126k, that of Taunton 61k)
And in any case, as I have said before, net migration is a disingenuous measure because it deliberately hides the “population swap” which is taking place. Most other countries (particularly, but not exclusively, those outside the EU) are a bit more choosey about whom they allow to settle than is the UK. As a result those moving out tend to be either highly skilled high earners or self-sufficient fairly affluent retired people. By contrast many of those arriving tend to be unskilled people looking for fairly low paid work. Additionally the arrivals tend to be young and will no doubt increase the population considerably by natural means themselves..
Furthermore, the accommodation vacated by those leaving from Taunton and Exeter is unlikely to be affordable for those arriving and they need housing in the ever diminishing social housing sector or in privately rented accommodation with hefty Housing Benefit support.
If you believe it is in the UK’s interests to continue to sustain this population swap and increase I’d be interested to hear why. I’d also be interested how you expect the country to cope with such an sustained increase when housing, transport, education, health and many other vital services are already critically stretched. Then perhaps we’d establish more accurately just who are the fruitcakes.
If you read the Guardian article it says that UK Emigration [I.e. those leaving] is at its lowest since 2001. It goes on to say that this reduction is driving an increase in net migration, which is exactly what was said last week. In actual fact more than half a million people arrived to settle in the UK, The figure I quoted is NET migration:
Figures for the twelve months to September 2013:
Those leaving: 320,000 (343,000 a year earlier)
Those arriving: 532,000 (497,000 a year earlier)
Thus a net increase of 212k compared to an increase of 154k a year earlier. (Population of Exeter 126k, that of Taunton 61k)
And in any case, as I have said before, net migration is a disingenuous measure because it deliberately hides the “population swap” which is taking place. Most other countries (particularly, but not exclusively, those outside the EU) are a bit more choosey about whom they allow to settle than is the UK. As a result those moving out tend to be either highly skilled high earners or self-sufficient fairly affluent retired people. By contrast many of those arriving tend to be unskilled people looking for fairly low paid work. Additionally the arrivals tend to be young and will no doubt increase the population considerably by natural means themselves..
Furthermore, the accommodation vacated by those leaving from Taunton and Exeter is unlikely to be affordable for those arriving and they need housing in the ever diminishing social housing sector or in privately rented accommodation with hefty Housing Benefit support.
If you believe it is in the UK’s interests to continue to sustain this population swap and increase I’d be interested to hear why. I’d also be interested how you expect the country to cope with such an sustained increase when housing, transport, education, health and many other vital services are already critically stretched. Then perhaps we’d establish more accurately just who are the fruitcakes.
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